There was one figure who was very quiet through the whole meeting. Moros was naturally a suspicious creature, a mindset and relatable set of behaviors which had ultimately arisen due to bad experiences in the past. He was used to trusting Nikolae, and that was about it. Past factions, friends, lovers. Those things, people, had all let him down in one form or another. One might have asked why he was so quick to get involved then? What was it about A.R.E.S. which assured him things could change? Nothing. The aspect of anonymity helped, but ultimately, it was the responsibility of each member to give every other member just enough trust to make their missions, ideals, and goals successful. Thus, he trusted, because he didn't have any other choice. He didn't give much. He wouldn't tell them his name, not yet at least. He wouldn't call on them as friends, or invite them to parties, or ask them to do things for him, nor in his name. Perhaps one day, he would know them better, but for the moment, the long term plan was more important.
The woman who spoke held up a photograph, and Az got a chance to look at it for a moment. The image was hazy from a distance, but he could make out what it was enough to hope that it was real, and not some photoshop job. He made a note mentally to look up her codename on the sign up sheet at a later point so he could discuss, in more depth, what she had provided, and how relevant it might be to investigating the military. He wasn't about to reject any evidence outright, but being sensible about what one did with that evidence was also important. For the moment, he simply attempted to lock gazes with her before the conversation rushed right on past. He politely mouthed a 'thank you', to her, still standing as he was, not quite stock straight but close.
Recognition. His gaze was drawn back to the pair who wore animal masks. The man raised a good point. Anonymity of members was one thing, but that didn't mean their organization needed to be completely invisible. Having some sort of calling card would do them good, for missions that required a certain amount of public spectacle. Not that Az hoped there would be many of those. Misdirection was an important part of the political world, and cultivating a brand for themselves would make it more difficult in some ways to cloud the message they were attempting to convey. Or would be, once they actually began to get things rolling. It would also give them deniability, should they decide to do something entirely covert – the power to distance themselves from their actions when necessary. "I would love to meet with you in the near future to discuss this symbol, or logo. If you're an artist at all, I would doubly appreciate it. I'll get into contact with you via the contact you left on the sign up." He commented briefly. Which was, in part, to make his intentions clear, to say he agreed with the idea, and to point out the sheet to anyone who had yet to take note of it.
And that was when he inwardly cringed. He had been hoping the words spoken by the man in the hockey mask had been unheard. A silly notion when it came to vampires, who tended to get the best out of their senses. None the less, he'd hoped there had been some sort of hypnotic trance which might have briefly caused everyone not to take note. Thus he would not have to do anything about it. Avoidance was a wonderful thing for Az, because he was not the type of creature who did well with confrontation. However, what distinguished him from other pacifists, was that he wouldn't shirk the need to take the bull by the proverbial horns when the situation called for it. He lightly cleared his throat, before glancing meaningfully from Fox to Hockey Mask. There was something vaguely familiar about the animal mask man's voice, but he couldn't quite place it, and didn't attempt to. "I have to echo Mr. Fox's sentiments. I don't think liking each other is a requirement for taking part in this movement. However, insults do nothing except for distract from the point, which is that we're trying to accomplish something together. Every group needs at least one nay-sayer, who refuses to follow the crowd. I respect that. But this group does not need a nay-sayer who does not know how to address people like a person, or who cannot articulate their concerns in a manner consistent with the level of maturity expected here." He said. The words were delivered plainly. It was not intended as reprimand precisely, but as a warning for the future.
The good thing about anonymity was that it was a simple matter to cut someone out of a call or e-mail circle. That wasn't what Moros wanted. He assumed if people were gathered in the warehouse, it meant they had a stake in the future of the supernatural and Harper Rock. However, no one person was worth so much that they had the right to get in the way of getting things done. It was a lesson he didn't anticipate having to teach, so people could either treat eachother with the barest requirements to respect, or they would find themselves lacking an invite to future functions. Hopefully it would not be a problem in the future.
He made a good show of not shrinking into himself like a turtle. Thankfully, he had learned enough over the years watching Nikolae, not to flinch at the thought of being frank with people.
"Now let us put that topic to rest, because I think we can all agree that focusing too much on opinions of each other is a sure road to inaction." Which was when Tiger spoke, and he found himself deeply in agreement with her. It would take time for everyone to work together with any measure of cohesion. And then Argonaut added his own voice to the sentiment, and briefly, Az felt another flutter of hope in his chest. Yes! Exactly that! He wanted to say. Disagreements happened regardless of the group, and expecting for everyone to become a homogenized mass was unreasonable. However, expecting people to file down their rough edges was not. "I agree. I think organizing into smaller groups, so people can see who they work best with, might be the best option. As you say, there is not just one road, and more than one way to tackle a problem. There is no reason we cannot reflect that in our organization." He commented. And then another truth was spoken. Anyone gathered at the warehouse was there by choice. They could participate in future functions of their own volition, or abstain within reason. He would need some time to hammer out specifics in his mind.
Nemesis was making some clear strides to wrap up the meeting. Moros was ready to move on and begin getting into the 'nitty gritty' of the whole affair, so to speak. Which made sense. They weren't going to get a chance to discuss all of the intricate details, at least not in one meeting. For the moment, they had quite a bit to 'chew over', as the idiom went. The coming weeks and months would likely weed out anyone who didn't have the patience to plan for the long game, though Moros sincerely hoped they could 'get it together' enough to do something In the near future. He chuckled. Nevermind, we'll do it ourselves. Perhaps a little too honest. Or not honest enough. Az wasn't properly sure yet. None the less, he was ready to retreat to his own thoughts, and follow up some leads, when the Hockey Mask man spoke up again.
The words did not exactly inspire confidence. He didn't believe in pandering to people who talked about taking group business elsewhere. If they were so unsure, chances are they weren't ever going to be totally loyal enough to trust. However, considering the man in the Hockey Mask hadn't learned anything solid about any of them, and certainly nothing that could be used against them, he was willing to give the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps it was the other man's way of warning that he should not be given information, that people should not break anonymity with him, that he should not be trusted fully. Time would tell, Moros supposed. He debated simply leaving things as they were, and not inviting the Hockey Mask man to the website. That would be the simple solution. But maybe. Just maybe he had something to offer the group.
"I don't believe in being allowed to do anything." He began from where he stood towards the back of the room (in front of the crowd). "You ask for a purpose, and many people have said the same thing over and over again. The military is a concern because we don't know what it knows. Simply seeking to understand more about it is one goal. Even if we eventually do nothing about it, standing by and letting other people have unchecked control is the way of the weak. Want something greater? Planning for the future. Being part of something bigger than what the individual can achieve, organization and pursuit of a common goal. What you gain is the chance to have your voice matter in the grand scheme of things. I assume, if you are here, you find that prospect appealing. Make your choice soon, because half-measures and lack of commitment hurt nobody but you." He finished, feeling drained. He really was no good at the whole public speaking thing.
He hoped that until the next meeting, or whenever the membership got a chance to talk again, that they would do some research into the topic at hand. One vampire had said she delivered food regularly to one of the military bases. That was one source of information, for example. The invisible staff who helped to make a polished base run, were an excellent resource if used properly. However, the way resources were used determined their worth. He briefly smiled to her, giving a faint nod to make it clear he had heard her. In the future, they could discuss, in more detail, what she knew or might have known. It was much the same case as with the woman with the photograph. Putting the pieces together required time and commitment. Moros stepped backwards, towards the shadows at the corner of the warehouse, intent on disappearing into them. The first meeting was drawing to a close. Moros had his misgivings, but his sense of hope was stronger. People just had to believe enough to make it work.
The woman who spoke held up a photograph, and Az got a chance to look at it for a moment. The image was hazy from a distance, but he could make out what it was enough to hope that it was real, and not some photoshop job. He made a note mentally to look up her codename on the sign up sheet at a later point so he could discuss, in more depth, what she had provided, and how relevant it might be to investigating the military. He wasn't about to reject any evidence outright, but being sensible about what one did with that evidence was also important. For the moment, he simply attempted to lock gazes with her before the conversation rushed right on past. He politely mouthed a 'thank you', to her, still standing as he was, not quite stock straight but close.
Recognition. His gaze was drawn back to the pair who wore animal masks. The man raised a good point. Anonymity of members was one thing, but that didn't mean their organization needed to be completely invisible. Having some sort of calling card would do them good, for missions that required a certain amount of public spectacle. Not that Az hoped there would be many of those. Misdirection was an important part of the political world, and cultivating a brand for themselves would make it more difficult in some ways to cloud the message they were attempting to convey. Or would be, once they actually began to get things rolling. It would also give them deniability, should they decide to do something entirely covert – the power to distance themselves from their actions when necessary. "I would love to meet with you in the near future to discuss this symbol, or logo. If you're an artist at all, I would doubly appreciate it. I'll get into contact with you via the contact you left on the sign up." He commented briefly. Which was, in part, to make his intentions clear, to say he agreed with the idea, and to point out the sheet to anyone who had yet to take note of it.
And that was when he inwardly cringed. He had been hoping the words spoken by the man in the hockey mask had been unheard. A silly notion when it came to vampires, who tended to get the best out of their senses. None the less, he'd hoped there had been some sort of hypnotic trance which might have briefly caused everyone not to take note. Thus he would not have to do anything about it. Avoidance was a wonderful thing for Az, because he was not the type of creature who did well with confrontation. However, what distinguished him from other pacifists, was that he wouldn't shirk the need to take the bull by the proverbial horns when the situation called for it. He lightly cleared his throat, before glancing meaningfully from Fox to Hockey Mask. There was something vaguely familiar about the animal mask man's voice, but he couldn't quite place it, and didn't attempt to. "I have to echo Mr. Fox's sentiments. I don't think liking each other is a requirement for taking part in this movement. However, insults do nothing except for distract from the point, which is that we're trying to accomplish something together. Every group needs at least one nay-sayer, who refuses to follow the crowd. I respect that. But this group does not need a nay-sayer who does not know how to address people like a person, or who cannot articulate their concerns in a manner consistent with the level of maturity expected here." He said. The words were delivered plainly. It was not intended as reprimand precisely, but as a warning for the future.
The good thing about anonymity was that it was a simple matter to cut someone out of a call or e-mail circle. That wasn't what Moros wanted. He assumed if people were gathered in the warehouse, it meant they had a stake in the future of the supernatural and Harper Rock. However, no one person was worth so much that they had the right to get in the way of getting things done. It was a lesson he didn't anticipate having to teach, so people could either treat eachother with the barest requirements to respect, or they would find themselves lacking an invite to future functions. Hopefully it would not be a problem in the future.
He made a good show of not shrinking into himself like a turtle. Thankfully, he had learned enough over the years watching Nikolae, not to flinch at the thought of being frank with people.
"Now let us put that topic to rest, because I think we can all agree that focusing too much on opinions of each other is a sure road to inaction." Which was when Tiger spoke, and he found himself deeply in agreement with her. It would take time for everyone to work together with any measure of cohesion. And then Argonaut added his own voice to the sentiment, and briefly, Az felt another flutter of hope in his chest. Yes! Exactly that! He wanted to say. Disagreements happened regardless of the group, and expecting for everyone to become a homogenized mass was unreasonable. However, expecting people to file down their rough edges was not. "I agree. I think organizing into smaller groups, so people can see who they work best with, might be the best option. As you say, there is not just one road, and more than one way to tackle a problem. There is no reason we cannot reflect that in our organization." He commented. And then another truth was spoken. Anyone gathered at the warehouse was there by choice. They could participate in future functions of their own volition, or abstain within reason. He would need some time to hammer out specifics in his mind.
Nemesis was making some clear strides to wrap up the meeting. Moros was ready to move on and begin getting into the 'nitty gritty' of the whole affair, so to speak. Which made sense. They weren't going to get a chance to discuss all of the intricate details, at least not in one meeting. For the moment, they had quite a bit to 'chew over', as the idiom went. The coming weeks and months would likely weed out anyone who didn't have the patience to plan for the long game, though Moros sincerely hoped they could 'get it together' enough to do something In the near future. He chuckled. Nevermind, we'll do it ourselves. Perhaps a little too honest. Or not honest enough. Az wasn't properly sure yet. None the less, he was ready to retreat to his own thoughts, and follow up some leads, when the Hockey Mask man spoke up again.
The words did not exactly inspire confidence. He didn't believe in pandering to people who talked about taking group business elsewhere. If they were so unsure, chances are they weren't ever going to be totally loyal enough to trust. However, considering the man in the Hockey Mask hadn't learned anything solid about any of them, and certainly nothing that could be used against them, he was willing to give the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps it was the other man's way of warning that he should not be given information, that people should not break anonymity with him, that he should not be trusted fully. Time would tell, Moros supposed. He debated simply leaving things as they were, and not inviting the Hockey Mask man to the website. That would be the simple solution. But maybe. Just maybe he had something to offer the group.
"I don't believe in being allowed to do anything." He began from where he stood towards the back of the room (in front of the crowd). "You ask for a purpose, and many people have said the same thing over and over again. The military is a concern because we don't know what it knows. Simply seeking to understand more about it is one goal. Even if we eventually do nothing about it, standing by and letting other people have unchecked control is the way of the weak. Want something greater? Planning for the future. Being part of something bigger than what the individual can achieve, organization and pursuit of a common goal. What you gain is the chance to have your voice matter in the grand scheme of things. I assume, if you are here, you find that prospect appealing. Make your choice soon, because half-measures and lack of commitment hurt nobody but you." He finished, feeling drained. He really was no good at the whole public speaking thing.
He hoped that until the next meeting, or whenever the membership got a chance to talk again, that they would do some research into the topic at hand. One vampire had said she delivered food regularly to one of the military bases. That was one source of information, for example. The invisible staff who helped to make a polished base run, were an excellent resource if used properly. However, the way resources were used determined their worth. He briefly smiled to her, giving a faint nod to make it clear he had heard her. In the future, they could discuss, in more detail, what she knew or might have known. It was much the same case as with the woman with the photograph. Putting the pieces together required time and commitment. Moros stepped backwards, towards the shadows at the corner of the warehouse, intent on disappearing into them. The first meeting was drawing to a close. Moros had his misgivings, but his sense of hope was stronger. People just had to believe enough to make it work.