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Wendigo wrote:First, I think the scale is too compressed. 3-stars is basically a Ph.D. in a field, and it's only halfway up the scale? I know a grand total of four people who have more than one Ph.D... it's hard for me to envision characters who aren't hundreds of years old with multiple skills above 3. And most humans (and recently turned vampires) would have, like, one skill at 3 max by that scale... and probably none at four. Heck, 2 is a "University Degree". Only 41.5% of Americans have graduated from college, which means we're talking about more than half of characters with, at most, one star (yes, granted, there may be other ways to get training). Less than 5% have a Doctorate or comparable Professional Degree.

Furthermore, not all of these skills really lend themselves to comparisons with Degrees? What is a Ph.D. equivalent in Cooking anyway? Ph.D. in Hunting? Do they teach Hunting at University? Methinks maybe only at Hogwarts.

So, I suppose my questions come down to: can we either eliminate the degree comparison, or have some other metric by which to assess skill (e.g., years of professional training, years of experience, et cetera?)

The educational examples were the simplest way of doing it. If those aren't enough, play it by ear. I'd say that "proficient, advanced, expert, master, and grandmaster" are fairly self-explanatory. It doesn't need to be spot on.

I made it so that 3 stars is expert for a few very good reasons. The main reason, though, is that we're mostly talking about supernatural beings with greatly enhanced memory, skill and charisma. A vampire after a few years could very conceivably have learned two dozen complicated languages. There are other reasons, but they'd dilute the main point.
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You do have to remember though that these vampires are played by fallible, imperfect humans, so the grandmaster thing is a bit... much. Logically it works, but if you have a player writing a grandmaster neurosurgeon, yet this grandmaster character doesn't seem to know the difference between a node of Ranvier and a telomere, we've got some srs bsns problems with believability. My MD character (with lower proficiency) could easily call out that character for being wrong, but then that'd probably fall under the whole 'be nice to each other' rule, even though it's a perfectly valid correction and I have no way of knowing it's the player with very little knowledge of the subject matter.

Which isn't saying that I'm for writing micromanaging, it just opens the door for a lot of unrealistic RP to have the proficiencies scale so high.
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Phoenix wrote:You do have to remember though that these vampires are played by fallible, imperfect humans, so the grandmaster thing is a bit... much. Logically it works, but if you have a player writing a grandmaster neurosurgeon, yet this grandmaster character doesn't seem to know the difference between a node of Ranvier and a telomere, we've got some srs bsns problems with believability. My MD character (with lower proficiency) could easily call out that character for being wrong, but then that'd probably fall under the whole 'be nice to each other' rule, even though it's a perfectly valid correction and I have no way of knowing it's the player with very little knowledge of the subject matter.

Which isn't saying that I'm for writing micromanaging, it just opens the door for a lot of unrealistic RP to have the proficiencies scale so high.
That's up to the writer though isn't it. It's possible to roleplay your character being good at something you don't fully understand, if you're vague on the details. At least the option is *there* for people.
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Mooncalf wrote:
That's up to the writer though isn't it. It's possible to roleplay your character being good at something you don't fully understand, if you're vague on the details. At least the option is *there* for people.
That's how I am looking at it. I fully plan to get Wolffyn's skill up to 23 asap (minus restating) so she can have 5 stars in Music. Yes, she did study as a human but she doesn't remember it. It's a natural gift. She also has Pied Piper. I'd always written her as having one of those once in a lifetime, blow the whole room away, singing voices. While I myself? Can't read music or even carry a tune, lol.
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That's a skill - I was specifically talking about knowledges.
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Even the skills are experience and learning based for the proficiencies. They aren't entirely about natural aptitude.
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I think it's with the hope that if a person wants to write their character to be a grandmaster neurosurgeon, they're going to do a bit of research so at least it's believable in their roleplaying of said character.

I think it's great the proficiency is linked to your characters' actual stats. It keeps you from roleplaying your character to be more than they actually are at the moment. You can base it off your character when they are human, but I think, yeah, you should base it off where you character is as a vampire. Your character's stats aren't the same as when they were human.

I haven't done mine for Ishaq yet mostly because I still have things to figure out.

He is street smart, but he's also a bit more of a criminal now than he was when he was just a human. So I gotta factor what he is now.
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