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[Elizabeth]

It's harsh because you read it as such.
I was being objective. If something isn't working for you then why continue it? Many of us left rbc because it wasn't working for us and moved on. We get bored with things and move on. We don't like something, we stop doing the thing we don't like doing.

I'm all for new players, or in this case old players returning, but if someone isn't happy and things won't change....why would they stick around? There are tons of rp only sites that might make this player happy. That's my point.

[Serenity]

There are plenty of people who don't like the grid part of the game, just like there are plenty of people that is all it is all they enjoy about the game itself. Telling someone that they have to either take part on the grid AND/OR take part in roleplay is kinda mean if they do not enjoy it. More so if the rules are not clue that the forum and grid are not connected other than in cases to reward RPP (and to delete said characters).

I personally didn't know however that you were required to move, I figured just logging in was enough to keep an account alive (both on the forum and/or in the grid itself). That's kinda how it is applied to me anyways. The only time I thought this didn't apply to having to log into (one or the other) was if you lv10+ (or was that changed?) or had a childe under you.

Honestly I can think of a lot of 'vamps' should should be deleted regardless of those two rules simply because they haven't logged in for years. I personally rather have someone who is RPing (even if not taken part of the grid itself) then someone whose name is just there because they two years ago were playing and got to lv10 or have a childe who may or may not be active who is lv10. Mind you if they 'donated' I can understand the reason why they should be left to remain, but I'm pretty sure not everyone of those players/characters have donated.

Not that any of this matters because it won't be changing.

However, they have stated they didn't mind logging in and moving that one square had they known. The fact remain they didn't know and they also (like myself) thought that logging into the forum itself would be all that was required to keep the account alive/active.

[Elizabeth]

I hope that comment about being mean isn't directed at me. It's the way the game works,as David said. I'm not the game creator or make the rules. David doesn't listen to me or make his choices off what I say or do. It's his show that I'm reiterating.

[Shamus]

Before things get hectic, I'd like to ask that everyone takes a few breaths before they post. While discussion is nice and helpful, if we stray too far from the subject, it will do us no good.



That all said, I have a suggestion that might work. Instead of going straight to the forum page from the link, you could access it through the grid page. It takes a little bit longer, yes, but it also will ensure your character is not deleted by any purging means. By taking such measures, you will then be "active" on grid.

[Serenity]

It is in general. I don't think we should be discouraging people who clearly enjoy one side of the game simply because they do not enjoy the other (more so when from I can tell they have no problem, but were under the belief that simply logging into one or the other would keep said character alive). Nor do I think I ever said anyone could make David do anything so I am unsure where that statement even came from. However, as he does listen to the player base in things, to help make his calls at time. Then this is where such times as trying to make either things more clear, or finding a nice medium that isn't pushing someone who clearly does want to be here (otherwise why would they be here?) away. Seeing as I don't think people play games they don't enjoy.

David has made the game split into RPers and Gamers, it is easy to see and understand how one could mistake that the RPers are just for those who enjoy the RP side of the game (but it gives no point at all they must once also take part in the grid itself in at least one action every three days). While Gamers enjoy the grid itself (though could easily take part in the RP as well as well as RPers can with the grid).

This isn't the first time we've had gamer/rper misunderstanding/issues. Fact I was under the impression that Gamers were to be removed completely as a choice because of said issues in the past. Where it was decided that everyone would be forced to be RPer even if they choose not to interact with said characters. Yet that didn't seem to be the case.

However, I think that the grid/forum should be connected in more ways than simply gaining RPP or given a clue when an account was deleted from the grid. As stated some people don't want to play the grid they are here simply for the RP and with the RPP system in place, with RP powers they could simply know that they have x-amount of RPP and require x-more thus don't bother to log in because the goal at that time is based on getting an RP power for their character. So they are not spending those RP points on anything else at the time to bother logging in to trade them for EXP/Money.

Though I do agree that perhaps the best choice is to make it so that to log into the forum you must log into the grid itself. Only then can you be logged into the forum itself. Yes it will mean of course that you will have to keep trading/switching accounts every time, and go through extra steps but it will also make it clear that the grid is the main focus not the RP.

[Elizabeth]

Again. I am discouraging no one. The player can stay or not. At this time it doesn't affect me one way or another. I'm being sympathetic to his or her complaint, while being realistic. It isn't going to change. I hope something keeps them here, but if not, I understand they are pursuing other avenues that are beat suited for them as a player. People can find happiness outside of Path, I'm sure.

It would be like me going to mcdonalds and complaining all I can eat is their salad... knowing they will never get more vegetarian options.

[Robert Pratt]

In my opinion, I would think that the fact that when you create an account in the game, you are taken to the grid first and foremost is an indication that your account and character are grid based and that it plays an integral part in the game play. If it didn't matter, and you were signed up to be a RP'er, you would be taken to the forum first and given a tutorial on how the forum works.

And Elijah, if you don't log into your character, on the grid itself, for three days running then your character drops into vacation mode. So if that had been the case, then I'm afraid they were in vacation mode. It's not something you yourself set, it's a game mechanic. Only after they've dropped into vacation mode, does the clock start ready for deletion if they don't meet the criteria.

Can't remember who mentioned it - but yes, you can just use RPP to level up/gain cash. But to cash in RPP, you have to go to the grid and log in there to exchange it. That alone would keep you out of vacation mode as you'd logged into the grid. :)

[Madison]

I personally would not want to see wholly roleplay accounts in the terms that the player only uses the forum. I have had Madison attack people on the grid for things that have been done in RP, be it long form or CrowNet. Someone who doesn't move their character and is in vacation mode removes that option for me and has the power to remove my character being able to react at all by simply refusing to RP with me.

This is the first instance that I've been aware about that someone didn't recognize that this game is a grid-based roleplaying game.

I don't want to see that change. The grid is what makes Path different than the plethora of other roleplay only sites.

I would rather see the change of having to keep your character on the grid active to be able to use the forum implemented ASAP. Then in big bold letters in character creation, it iterates that the grid is a must and that roleplay is the part that's optional because that is how it is, that is how it's been and that's how I would like it to stay.

I don't think what Becca said was harsh at all. It was reality. If a player doesn't like that you have to play the grid to roleplay, then maybe this isn't the game for them.

[Jesse Fforde]

No one is suggesting that Path become a purely roleplay game.

The point Elijah-mun was making, from my understanding, is simply that some warning when starting up would be beneficial - that if one doesn't log into the grid (rather than just the forum) there's a chance their character might be deleted for inactivity.

And the point I was trying to make is that people do like to level only by RPP - I'm not saying that means getting rid of the grid and only placing importance on writing, but writing is a rather large component of the game, too. It wouldn't do to discourage those who are here for the writing, is all. Which is not what I think Enver was getting at.

:)

[Madison]

No where in my post did I infer that anyone said it would.

There probably should be something that says that grid login is mandatory since it's now apparent that it's not clear enough.

Again, I never inferred that anyone said anything about getting rid of the grid. Nor am I saying that there's anything wrong about being here for the writing but it's a grid-based game and if you don't want to or refuse to play the grid, than I stand by that Path isn't the game for that type of person.