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Enver Marshall II wrote:I honestly don't think this is going to change. It's been a thing for about three years now? I personally love path and do both rp and grid play. I'm an rper first and foremost. I love writing stpries and being creative in them.

At the high possibility of being tossed stones at for even suggesting this; as a happy medium to both prties..
.. if you are just looking for rp only, maybe Path isn't for you?

Thank you for your input, Enver. Please be aware though, the point of this thread remains that I did not know what happened. I was not aware of the requirements. I knew of the three month rule of not 'logging in' from a fellow role player. What I was not aware of, was the formula at hand that went into deciding the deletion date for my character.

Even though Elijah Cole did not lose much in the process, it is frustrating enough to have to be questioned by a fellow player as to what was wrong with the deleted character. I had not logged into him for several days, thus bringing about the current issue at hand. A warning would have been nice, is all, Enver. I would have been thankful for the reminder note that my character was due to be deleted if there was no activity on the grid portion of the game.

I truly appreciate that you've suggested that Path isn't for me.

Stephanie Wylde wrote:I have to agree with Enver here.

If you are inactive on the grid for several days, you go into Vacation mode, then if you still don't log on you will be deleted after a time. Is it really too much hard work to log onto the game and move one square? That is not playing the grid, that is keeping the character alive in the game, you have to remember the grid is the game, not the roleplays based off it. If you don't have a character in the city moving around, then what exactly are you roleplaying?

Thank you, Stephanie. I was not aware of this Vacation mode and how it worked. You questioned me about it being too much hard work to log into the grid portion of the game and moving one square. Your answer is no. No, it is not too difficult at all. The fact is that I was unaware of the grid portion, the requirements, that I needed to keep my character safe from deletion.

The point here is not what I do or do not role play. The point here is that there was no warning that my character was deleted. There was no message or alert that was sent to kindly remind me, perhaps, of the requirements that were needed to keep my character active.

I feel that I have enough knowledge currently to role play this character out without having to constantly log into the grid portion of the game to role play him adequately with other characters. For those that are gamers, I understand that it is exciting to move your characters around, to pick pockets, to steal, to gain energy by killing Zombies, or to hack and gather date in that regard. For those that have their characters as role play based, I feel that I did not need to log into the grid just to play my character in the forum. This is the problem at hand.

But again, thank you for your curiosity involving my character and how you agree this game might not be for me.

Zelda wrote:

Enver Marshall II wrote: At the high possibility of being tossed stones at for even suggesting this; as a happy medium to both prties..
.. if you are just looking for rp only, maybe Path isn't for you?

That seems a bit harsh.

With the introduction of the RPP system, there's nothing wrong with people being here who want to be here just for the writing.

Elijah-player isn't saying (as far as I know) that's disregarding the grid and all its Canon. She sticks to the world and the way it works.

And writing is what affects a lot of the chapters, right? I know the two should work in concordance, but suggesting someone leave Path because they don't enjoy the grid aspect seems to be going a bit too far. I for one would lament if we were to lose awesome writers for that reason - as I am here, myself, mainly for the writing.

Those words are a little harsh, Zelda.

I am fully aware that the two entities of the game, forum and grid, must work together. It is alright that people are different. It is alright that some prefer the forum play versus the grid play. I applaud Mooncalf/David for their ability to see beyond a complete forum and a complete grid and moving forward into merging both of them together as one unit.

Thank you, for that, David. I certainly have to say that I appreciate the playground even if I do not know all of the rules.

And thank you Zelda, for being a wonderful role player. You certainly do contribute a lot to the forum, let alone on your other characters as well. I do enjoy your passion for making any character well rounded and come alive (or dead) by the words that you write.

Elizabeth Naarc wrote:It's harsh because you read it as such.
I was being objective. If something isn't working for you then why continue it? Many of us left rbc because it wasn't working for us and moved on. We get bored with things and move on. We don't like something, we stop doing the thing we don't like doing.

I'm all for new players, or in this case old players returning, but if someone isn't happy and things won't change....why would they stick around? There are tons of rp only sites that might make this player happy. That's my point.

Are you Enver, Elizabeth? I am a little confused, but I can only gather from your current response that you are. Tone, after all, is very difficult to set. But, after copious amounts of experience in multiple forums, I also am not surprised that you label yourself with being objective.

Especially to a new player that is unaware of your tone. Sarcasm, after all, isn't appreciated here in Path.

I am a relatively new player. The game deleted my character. I was 'inactive' by the game's standards and calculations. The game only does what its creator sets it up to do. What I am asking for here is a realization that not all current or new players understand all of the rules.

Please be aware, though, that I am not bored. I am not unhappy with the game. I am unhappy with what happened to my character without my knowledge or ability to stop it (being that I did not realize I had to be active in the forum).

Though I appreciate David's response, I am also hopeful that there will be a change made to the game. That there will be a new piece of information for those registering that grid activity is needed to keep a role playing based character from being considered inactive and subsequently deleted.

Your point is certainly read and not taken into consideration.

Serenity wrote:There are plenty of people who don't like the grid part of the game, just like there are plenty of people that is all it is all they enjoy about the game itself. Telling someone that they have to either take part on the grid AND/OR take part in roleplay is kinda mean if they do not enjoy it. More so if the rules are not clue that the forum and grid are not connected other than in cases to reward RPP (and to delete said characters).

I personally didn't know however that you were required to move, I figured just logging in was enough to keep an account alive (both on the forum and/or in the grid itself).

... However, they have stated they didn't mind logging in and moving that one square had they known. The fact remain they didn't know and they also (like myself) thought that logging into the forum itself would be all that was required to keep the account alive/active.

Thank you very much Serenity, in not making me feel like I am alone in this calculation information!

That certainly is the point at hand. I was unaware. It would not have been a problem had I known what was required of me or my character to be 'alive' in the city. As Elijah Cole is not my main character, I felt like I had enough information to play him with others in live chats with the knowledge base that I currently possess.

I now know differently. Thankfully so, as I can see how much of an impact that this has made on the small community of people replying here.

Elizabeth Naarc wrote:I hope that comment about being mean isn't directed at me. It's the way the game works,as David said. I'm not the game creator or make the rules. David doesn't listen to me or make his choices off what I say or do. It's his show that I'm reiterating.

Elizabeth, please be aware that I now know what is expected of me at least in part of the forum and the grid logging in and movement requirements. I certainly do appreciate that you are reiterating his earlier words.

However, as any creator, I am sure David is listening. I am sure your thoughts, opinions, and suggestions as a public community is what he is taking into consideration to make his decisions along with his fellow co-developer, Natasha.

Any good creator, business man, and interested party would certainly want to know what their 'workers' are thinking and feeling in regards to the stance on policies and procedures. I am a little disappointed to see that you think your words, opinions, and input is just shut off and not at least given one thought; good or bad.

Ultimately, why can't one have the power of suggestion?

Why can't one ask or suggest or request or prefer that somewhere a notice is put up in the registration or the tutorial that it is required that both grid play and forum play for those that chose the role play path? You are basically taking a moment to respond here and tell me that David won't change anything by what is said or done or suggested.

Do you know if this is his actual view? Do you know if he will not change a single thing based on this thread?

You basically are standing back, tossing your hands up, and saying one might as well give up.

Well, I do not accept that. I prefer to rationally bring a problem to light, open it to discussion, and try to reach a solution to the problem.

Shamus wrote:Before things get hectic, I'd like to ask that everyone takes a few breaths before they post. While discussion is nice and helpful, if we stray too far from the subject, it will do us no good.

That all said, I have a suggestion that might work. Instead of going straight to the forum page from the link, you could access it through the grid page. It takes a little bit longer, yes, but it also will ensure your character is not deleted by any purging means. By taking such measures, you will then be "active" on grid.

Shamus, let me inform you that I have taken all day before I have responded. I certainly would like to tell you that I have thought about doing a general post, but I felt like an individual one was required only due to people's varying feelings on the subject matter at hand.

Initially was I upset that my character was deleted? Yes.

The point of the thread was to discover why my character was originally deleted. I see that now. However, I still would like this to be preventable for a future new player. Hence, my suggestions in my beginning reply of this particular post of mine. Is just 'logging in' going to be enough to fulfill the grid requirements? I do believe one also needs to move there as well.

Though I certainly do like this suggestion. Will it be enough to keep a role playing character safe from being on the clock countdown to inactivity and subsequent deletion?

Serenity wrote:It is in general. I don't think we should be discouraging people who clearly enjoy one side of the game simply because they do not enjoy the other (more so when from I can tell they have no problem, but were under the belief that simply logging into one or the other would keep said character alive).

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This isn't the first time we've had gamer/rper misunderstanding/issues. Fact I was under the impression that Gamers were to be removed completely as a choice because of said issues in the past. Where it was decided that everyone would be forced to be RPer even if they choose not to interact with said characters. Yet that didn't seem to be the case.

Though I do agree that perhaps the best choice is to make it so that to log into the forum you must log into the grid itself. Only then can you be logged into the forum itself. Yes it will mean of course that you will have to keep trading/switching accounts every time, and go through extra steps but it will also make it clear that the grid is the main focus not the RP.

I do like this suggestion, more so, Serenity. But again, I do not code. Nor, do I know if this is even a possible option to help prevent something from happening like this in the future.

Elizabeth Naarc wrote:Again. I am discouraging no one. The player can stay or not. At this time it doesn't affect me one way or another. I'm being sympathetic to his or her complaint, while being realistic. It isn't going to change. I hope something keeps them here, but if not, I understand they are pursuing other avenues that are beat suited for them as a player. People can find happiness outside of Path, I'm sure.

It would be like me going to mcdonalds and complaining all I can eat is their salad... knowing they will never get more vegetarian options.

Although you may not be openly discouraging anyone, you are leaving open the door. You are standing there, waiting for someone to go or stay as you hold the door handle. You are not effected by this thread by my character going or staying because my character does not know your character(s). If they did, I'm sure your tone would be rightly different.

And though you are being objective and realistic, your sympathy has no place within that venture. Those two are like oil and water. You say it isn't going to change. You seem to be speaking for the creator now instead of reiterating his prior statements.

Let me just say that I do not plan to go anywhere any time soon. You can close the door. And you can stay away from McDonalds. Less, of course, you like their salads.

Robert Pratt wrote:In my opinion, I would think that the fact that when you create an account in the game, you are taken to the grid first and foremost is an indication that your account and character are grid based and that it plays an integral part in the game play. If it didn't matter, and you were signed up to be a RP'er, you would be taken to the forum first and given a tutorial on how the forum works.

And Elijah, if you don't log into your character, on the grid itself, for three days running then your character drops into vacation mode. So if that had been the case, then I'm afraid they were in vacation mode. It's not something you yourself set, it's a game mechanic. Only after they've dropped into vacation mode, does the clock start ready for deletion if they don't meet the criteria.

Robert, I understand now the differences between the grid and the forum. Please, understand that with learning any new game, one can get turned around and easily confused or frustrated. In the beginning, I didn't realize that I was signing into two different places. Quite frankly, I was frustrated that I had to sign into two different places because I didn't realize what I was doing. I just figured that my Screen Name and password didn't carry over like they should have.

As experienced Path players, I'm sure this doesn't even phase a current player.

I realize my mistake about the Vacation mode. I certainly apologize, for I was wrong in my prior replies that he was not in it. I did not realize that it was something done automatically. And in truth, this is good! That way, if someone were to be sick and hospitalized or on vacation; it halts the activity so that they can respond accordingly when available to.

But believe me, for being a non-gamer, I just didn't realize what was expected of me.

Ultimately, I'd hate for this to happen to another new player.

Madison wrote:... This is the first instance that I've been aware about that someone didn't recognize that this game is a grid-based roleplaying game.

I don't want to see that change. The grid is what makes Path different than the plethora of other roleplay only sites.

I would rather see the change of having to keep your character on the grid active to be able to use the forum implemented ASAP. Then in big bold letters in character creation, it iterates that the grid is a must and that roleplay is the part that's optional because that is how it is, that is how it's been and that's how I would like it to stay.

I don't think what Becca said was harsh at all. It was reality. If a player doesn't like that you have to play the grid to roleplay, then maybe this isn't the game for them.

This is certainly an interesting development, Madison. I am not asking that grid play change. I am not quite sure where you gathered that from. I have played many RPG games in the past that have and have not had a grid. I understand the importance of something to fall back on and follow through with, action-wise. Please do not thing that I am dense in that respect.

Again, this game has two options driven forth for the game, Role Playing and Grid-Based Gaming. All that I am asking for is a warning be put into place of the importance and possible pending deletion of a character. I am not asking that the precious grid portion of the game be sabotaged in any way to fit a role player's preference.

Jesse Fforde wrote:No one is suggesting that Path become a purely roleplay game.

The point Elijah-mun was making, from my understanding, is simply that some warning when starting up would be beneficial - that if one doesn't log into the grid (rather than just the forum) there's a chance their character might be deleted for inactivity.

And the point I was trying to make is that people do like to level only by RPP - I'm not saying that means getting rid of the grid and only placing importance on writing, but writing is a rather large component of the game, too. It wouldn't do to discourage those who are here for the writing, is all. Which is not what I think Enver was getting at.

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Yes.

Exactly.

Thank you.

Madison wrote:No where in my post did I infer that anyone said it would.

There probably should be something that says that grid login is mandatory since it's now apparent that it's not clear enough.

Again, I never inferred that anyone said anything about getting rid of the grid. Nor am I saying that there's anything wrong about being here for the writing but it's a grid-based game and if you don't want to or refuse to play the grid, than I stand by that Path isn't the game for that type of person.

You did imply, based upon your obvious concern, that something with the grid were to change. I care not for the grid portion of the game to change at all. The grid portion is a much needed and obviously desired portion of the game as so many people take pleasure in moving their characters around and engaging in the various activities.

Again, you are standing there with the door open. It was never about not wanting to play the grid or refusing to play the grid in the first place, Madison. Just, as there is absolutely nothing wrong with leveling by exchanging RPP. What this entire thread was about was the reason behind the deletion and a way that such could be avoided in the future for a new character that is not used to the obvious expectations when selecting the role playing form of the gaming options.

So far, what some wonderful players have come up with is to make the option available to log in through the grid (only) to access the forum. Is this an available option?

Madison wrote:I personally would not want to see wholly roleplay accounts in the terms that the player only uses the forum. I have had Madison attack people on the grid for things that have been done in RP, be it long form or CrowNet. Someone who doesn't move their character and is in vacation mode removes that option for me and has the power to remove my character being able to react at all by simply refusing to RP with me.

In this particular instance, the character is a human. You can't do jack to him on-grid regardless of what happens in RP without his ID *

*ttly not laughing at you, just think that's a huge flaw in the system

Yes, I will stand there with the door open, simply because that door is always open whether I'm here or not.

What I took from this thread was that there are people that believe that the roleplay and the grid should not be co-dependent on one another and that was my interpretation of what was stated. So in response to that, I made my opinion known, which was not directed at a single person or group of people. The only comment that I made that was directed at anyone was my agreement with what Becca had stated about Path possibly not being the game for some people.

I also don't think that you understand the differential between the gamer and roleplayer option that comes up during account creation. It is not stating that you are only an RP'er or that you are only a grid-player. It's always been that if you were a roleplayer, you also played the grid because the game is grid based. The differential is based on two types of grid players. Those who roleplay and those who do not.

Phoenix wrote:

Madison wrote:I personally would not want to see wholly roleplay accounts in the terms that the player only uses the forum. I have had Madison attack people on the grid for things that have been done in RP, be it long form or CrowNet. Someone who doesn't move their character and is in vacation mode removes that option for me and has the power to remove my character being able to react at all by simply refusing to RP with me.

In this particular instance, the character is a human. You can't do jack to him on-grid regardless of what happens in RP without his ID *

*ttly not laughing at you, just think that's a huge flaw in the system

I wasn't directing it at Elijah. I was making general comments based on my opinion.

I really don't think you mocking what David said about tone is helping your case any, Elijah Cole player.

And I'm not speaking for the creator. He's said it himself as have many others in this thread. Grid is an aspect of the game. You have to log in or be deleted. Once deleted, your character is considered dead. Most that have remade a character or redone them after writing a certain way have been told, "Uh, no. That doesn't fly, sorry. Go back to the way it was, or start over." So, I feel they are being very nice by letting you keep this account and not remake him, by the way. I wouldn't go around mocking the rules, especially about tone or sarcasm. I can tell you from experience, it won't end nicely.

And no, I would not be impacted if our characters met and knew the other. My tone would not be different. I have had many childre on this account or other accounts that have moved on to other ventures and wish them well. It's just a game. I understand Zelda player might be frustrated (as seen in their tone) because obviously you two have rp'd things somewhere...but I keep the idea of it being just a game and the other person's mindset in mind when it's for the well being of someone other than myself.

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So uh, that was a super long post Elijah - but if you have a suggestion it's a LOT better to post it in suggestions rather then post it anywhere else. Typically because if a thread gets to 10+ pages - aint not one but those involved gonna wanna read all of that stuff and suggestions are just an idea and a poll. Easy peasy.

(This was my not to subtle push to ask you to put it there so people, like me, who don't want involved in the pages and pages of arguing can just give their vote on the matter. ty!) >>

As Elijah Cole is not my main character, I felt like I had enough information to play him with others in live chats with the knowledge base that I currently possess.

Just as an addition - using this as justification of your point doesn't work either. To go into live chats you have to log into your account on the grid. Logging in on the grid would remove you from vacation mode, and therefore stop the deletion countdown and this issue wouldn't have arisen.

As for the rest, well, I'm sure a few people will have a few things to say about it all.

Ninjaed by Chelle..... And if you want to make a suggestion, there's a whole forum dedicated to suggestions. And in case you miss the rule, you need to put a poll into it before posting. :)

Can't write smut in location-based though <.<

Surely there's more to write than smut?

Well, Chloe said they were writing smut, Elijah said they were in location. Can do both, just not at the same time. lol