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That makes sense to a point. However that ability also can be done without the person being near how does it work then for them to 'see' what they look like? To my knowledge they would have to be able to see the wraith if they have that ability as well. Otherwise they wouldn't know who they were looking for to know who they belonged too. I'm going to guess that's pretty limited in who can do that, only the top players most likely. They surely couldn't get that blob from anyone else.

Serenity for example couldn't go hey this blob that you can't see, but this is what it looks like (in his shadowness of a blob that has no features) who owns it? Unless they 'attacked' them prior. Then they could in theory 'see' it happened. But still wouldn't understand how they could 'tell' they're getting the right blob of shadow.

Not to say for that to work, they would have to keep using that ability to tell them apart if they were just walking about. I've seen people RP knowing x-wraith was there because they could see it was x-wraith even though they either do not have that power (as in someone who can see spirits) or without activating said power either. Not to say those blobs wouldn't be able to tell who is who without always addressing who they were so wraith a couldn't go to wraith b and be like "Yo Joe how are you" which you don't see happening either in any RPs (or on grid)

Though guess my biggest question is how come they are blobs in the first place? The human spirits are not blobs they can be mistaken as 'living' beings. So why is that vampires who are spiritual beings able to form a 'physical' body, not have spirits that can be either 'semi' realistic looking or not?

Alexandrea wrote:I figured it was due to some kind of spiritual energy signature. As how even when a Mystic changes forms from dying and rebirth you still have their id on grid and therefor still know them ic. If all wraiths are originally vampires, they would still have that 'signature energy'.

Actually - if a Mystic changes their face and body, you wouldn't recognise them next time you see them - RP-wise.

Having someone's ID on the grid can mean a number of things; You know their name. You know their face. You know name and face. Just having their ID on grid doesn't mean that in RP you know both of these things.


Also, the way I've been playing it - Robert's wraith has form. When I read the wiki, I figured that while in the SR all wraiths are blobs, cause that's what it says. It doesn't say anything about wraiths IRL. Which includes vampires who are killed and sent there. So when Robert fadewalks there or is killed and sent there, he loses all form and distinctive features. I know a lot of people play that one wrong too.

However, when he comes back from the SR, he regains his form. So I've played Leyna as having features and a shape. Something in the summoning and pulling her through the rift lessened the SR effect and gave her a bit more..... oompff and life. So she's like a ghost from a cheesey horror. Just a see through person who's usually hidden from everyone.

But my question is - that says that wraiths can go invisible when they choose. Can they still go invisible to someone with the Medium power in RP?

Ok this is my view point on it just because someone gives a physical description of what their wraith looks like in their wraiths mind doesn't mean the wraith actually looks like that . Something that has lost itself like that believes any sort of thing including that it still looks the way it did when it died or How it thinks it should look.

I put pictures of Chupacabra up on his Cs to give a good idea of his personality and what he looked like when he was alive. It helps with his story Of being a deformed goat farmer that had been turned into a vampire and the local villagers catching him and stoning him to death . They really have nothing to do with what he looks like now except anything that is in his mind about how poor Chupa looks and they always Picking on poor chupa cause he don't look right . Nobody like poor Chupa cept Missy Eva Chupa loves Missy Eva .

Almost all the wraiths in the city should be modern ones, and by Modern I mean they were turned and died since the "Elders" returned to the city a few years ago. Pre-holocaust wraiths should be few and far between as very few vampires died in the HR area and good portion of those returned to life already. Before the RP traits were about a few of us got permission to have older wraiths, that's why there are a few lucid pre-holocaust wraiths about.

As for the form question. Wraiths shouldn't have features, coloured clothing, etc. They should pretty much be as the wiki describes "translucent shadows."

You see - things keep getting added and made up that aren't on the wiki.

Telling us they should all be modern doesn't fit with the "Wraiths are the shades of long-dead vampires". How are they long dead if they are modern vamps from just the last three years? Same with "They are often driven insane by the many hundreds of years being stuck in a limbo-state." So yeh, saying they should all be modern, just doesn't fit and doesn't work. The wraith guides didn't die in HR - but they still came back.

The SR - as far as I've taken it - is what happens when vampires die. So they ALL go there regardless of where they've died. The only thing the elders had, was that they died in HR where there was a rift they could get out of. But when you summon a wraith from the SR, you're summoning it from the WHOLE of the SR and across the whole of time.

When David introduced the ancient wraith power, I'm sure there was something about limits on ages. *Goes to hunt*

Ancient Wraith
(Requires the Raise Wraith power.) Although the wraith you enthralled has lost much of his or her mental faculties during their time in the shadow realm, they are very old (up to 600 years old at the most), and have a great deal of wisdom, when they are able to remember and talk sense.

The holocaust was 200 years ago. So your choice of wraith is making a modern one - which causes issues as it would have to be linked to one of the current elders somehow and is a bit god modey. Or it has to be between 200 years old and 600 years old. And where's the limit between normal wraith and ancient wraith?

Oh and their description - the placement of the description on the wiki indicates that was only for the SR wraiths. Not for the summoned wraiths which are different imo.

I thought this too when I read the wiki. Clarification would help greatly so I can adjust my wraiths moods, position in HR and such.

It also doesn't help people who had a wraith summoned and assigned it an age before any timeline limitations were imposed on wraiths. Since Amaranthia died elsewhere, but popped up in Harper Rock, that whole dying in HR thing didn't seem to apply, so Nix had summon a high priest of Anubis from BC Egypt way back when. I've just never RP'd him because the requirements changed after I'd chosen.

Yup. The wiki has very general information on it that can be read and interpreted in many different ways. We've been told before that 'if you're not sure, then ask' - but I was sure I'd read it right. If I had to ask every single time I wanted to do something, based off what I'd read on the wiki, then there'd be no coding and no updates happening. It would all be question answering.

The way the summoned wraiths read on the wiki you could have anyone from any time - so long as they'd been a vampire. Suddenly the RP powers came in and a max age of 600 years was set. Now we're being told that they should all be modern, post holocaust wraiths? That means that pretty much 80% - I'd guess - of wraiths will have to be redone.

I was talking about to when the bridges first came out and there wasn't even a wiki <.<

A wiki update is planned, so things like this should all get cleared up sooner or later.

What David originally told me, might have changed. Which happens. The game has evolved and will continue to do so. When wraiths first came into the game (and the wiki article was written) it's highly likely that it was just old and long dead vamps. Now if you imagine how many character's have died in the last three years, the odds of summoning a newer wraith would be much higher.