Security Camera alerts, IC or OOC information?

[Alexandrea]

Well I can't see as how the person who wasn't involved in the RP would know the character is dead.

That is my question. The one that saw the 'dead' guy. How did they know ic he was dead if it was just in an rp?

[Mkvenner]

Perhaps another character told them? Or they heard it through the grapevine?

[Doc]

Dead Character supposedly committed suicide - was a paladin.

That Paladin was having an affair with a vampire.

Sire of that vampire found out about the suicide of the paladin from his childe's sibling..

Sire has a significant other. Sire tells significant other about the suicide event. Sire tells lots of ppl about the event, in fact. Because Sire was not pleased his childe was with a paladin. But paladin is dead.. problem solved.

Sire goes to childe's home to check on childe. Home is decorated with all sorts of lovely photos of them together. Notes the resemblance to another vampire. Sends a photo of the photo to other vampire.. it was a joke. 'you have a twin who is a paladin.. oops hes dead tho!'

Jump forward 2 months. Paladin is caught on camera. Video is shared with Sire.

Sire calls sibling.. of the childe that had been with the paladin. Is he really dead?

Shares video of dead guy walking..

Is it him? yes it is. WTF.

Sire is back to not being pleased, because it looks like his childe helped a paladin fake his death. IE Breach of masquerade. Not good.

[Cassandra]

I don't wanna pass judgment on a situation that I'm not part of, but since advice is being asked - this sounds suspiciously like someone's trying to pull something over on someone else. Did someone ever contact Dead Paladin about the situation to find out what's going on with the character?

I know I got a forum PM five minutes after I moved Cass for the first time in nearly a year. That gave me the opportunity (if I'd needed it) to say, "hey, give me a week to get the RP in line for this, I'm not trying to get away with something".

Edit: Since this is a Paladin - everyone involved with this also had the Paladin's ID on-grid before his return, right?

[Doc]

The vampire post did wait, It was only posted today.

Paladin's post went up Friday.

Nothing was negated.

The question is about the Paladin saying the vampires should not know he is alive; and that it is crossing to use the video feed IC.

One side maintains its Crossing.

The other side maintains it is not. If the paladin didn't want to get caught.. should not have been moving on grid.

[Cassandra]

I guess I'm not the most well-versed on how cameras work - once the Paladin was caught on camera, the person owning the feed had their ID, right? Either because they previously had the ID, or because the camera was in a private area and gave the ID to them? If so, it still doesn't sound very collaborative or good-natured on anyone's part, but at least that's pretty concrete game-mechanic evidence that no crossing occurred.

If they didn't, it sounds like Paladin has a pretty arguable case (game-mechanic-wise) that Videopire saw a random human on camera in a public place and used metagame knowledge to inflate the situation.

Either way, it still sounds competitive instead of collaborative, and maybe people should stay away from each other going forward. In my anecdotal opinion.

[Azraeth]

I don't honestly, in this situation, think it's 'on' the person who has the grid mechanic on their side (whichever way that swings), to initiate a conversation with the other party. Considering that going into property where a security cam works is 100% voluntary, I would view that as implied permission from an OOC standpoint.

Which I guess is a slightly competitive way to view things? I mean I totally advocate one person going to another to talk about it if they don't want a certain RP to happen and it impacts their character. But that doesn't mean they have a right to demand that the RP not happen, especially if those impacts relate to other people's characters. I also really don't like the idea of rewarding someone screaming 'crosser' at another player, which is ultimately what a lot of 'collaboration' seems to come down to.

You can't really go into a situation assuming you have some sort of moral 'high ground' and expect the other party to want to work with you, which is the entire basis of collaboration. I also tend to think that changing RP or modifying a character's behaviour to appease another player should only go so far? Like for example, if someone accidentally hits the attack button and smacks my character - I'm fine with letting that go or pretending that never happened because while I do not control my character's perception of events, I do control what information they do or don't get.

But, for example, if someone were to have a go at me and say 'If you have your character react, then you're a crosser, because that was an accident' I would probably be really unlikely to want anything to do with that person even though I may not have initiated that attack and I may have no control over any connection that character has to mine.

Does that make sense? There are some things that are outside of a person's control, and a sour attitude only tends to make that more unbearable on both sides.

[Mordechai]

this been gone over a hundred times, if the camera and place it is are owned by the same player its IC end of story been ruled on over and over by the admins

eta if you wanna play a dead char, kill it and you wont have these problems

[Phoenix]

Yeah. I agree with it all being legit IC.

[Tiamat]

stop breaking into people's homes?